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Usually it is people who take personal shots at other editors becuase they have nothing to say with any substance on the actual article content.
Fetish vs. philia
Do the points brought up here have any merit?--Daveswagon 20:58, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Removed statements
This article is totally lame and obviously written by a geek who can't get a date except for an Asian woman (ANY ASIAN WOMAN WILL DO) who thinks he walks on water because he doesn't treat her like a second class citizen.
"Some areas claim not to think of WM/AF as an interracial relationship. However, would it be the same if the male was Black or Latino?"
"And if the reverse, Asian Male/White Female was common, would it have be considered an interracial couple?"
They need to be revised. As stated, they're conjectural and could be offensive. --Mitsukai 07:52, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
POV
This article is totally POV, and inflammatory. Does Wikipedia have a page for n***** or k***? This term is mostly internet chatroom fodder and is not in currency in the real media or the real world.
Some recommendations: 1. Delete it and be gone with it 2. Merge it into a larger article about IR couples or Asian American slang, racial stereotypes or whatever 3. Clean it up and put more criticism. But the existence of the article and the title is already a kind of POV. I can imagine, for instance, the Klu Klux Klan would love creating articles with all sort of 'funny' titles that are derogatory and essentially not encyclopedic.
This article is very conjectural. Needs more backing from Ethnic studies or sociological papers I'd say.
People need to understand. There are some folks who like to use the name Oriental when referring to themselves. Most of them are not Asian-Americans however. I would say, why not call people simply what they prefer to be called. Most Asian-Americans accept the term Asian or Asian-American. Many folks in the Far East may prefer Oriental. Others there may prefer something more specific.
Just call them what they prefer. What's the big deal?
29 September 15.14.2005 TheDogon
Revised
When I revised the article, there were pornographic images on it. The pictures were linked to your name. When I looked your name up, there were other edits associated with it that had pornography attached. However, I don't seem to see them anymore. I wonder if the administrators removed them permanently. I wonder if your name might have been used by someone else previously. Sorry for the confusion if there was any. Kennethtennyson 3 July 2005 22:31 (UTC)
Such papers do exist that have sociological and historical ties to all these stereotypes of asian women and white men, and other interracial couples. All of this came from somewhere. And a lot of these ideas were pushed onto society to oppress and shame ethnic women and in this case/topic it is asian women.
here is a link...to an educated writer...http://www.webcom.com/intvoice/emily5.html
Perhaps inaccurate
I'm not sure if the last paragraph is that accurate. I edited a bit. There actually is a thriving pornographic industry in europe, america, and south america; however, but there is not as much of a focus. Further, there actually is a thriving porno industry in africa and south asia and somewhat in the mideast but people in the US are not aware of it due to the lack of interest in the general population here in the west. The asian fetish that exists here promotes a myopic focus on asian porno that overemphasizes asian porno.Steelhead
Update: I found some actual stats on porn site registrations by country: The full top ten is:
1. Germany: 10,030,200 2. United Kingdom: 8,506,800 3. Australia: 5,655,800 4. Niue: 2,947,800 5. Japan: 2,700,800 6. Netherlands: 1,883,800 7. Russia: 1,080,600 8. Poland: 1,049,600 9. Spain: 852,800 10. Tonga: 848,800
The total Web pages by region is:
* Europe: 28,430,600 * Pacific: 12,352,600 * Asia: 3,193,000 * Latin America: 1,048,600 * Africa: 389,400 * Canada: 283,600 * Caribbean:255,000 * Middle East: 77,800 * Total: 46,030,600
Japan is number five, leading to the possibility of Japanese models / porn being more prevalent than say, Saudi women.
Who changed the article? What they wrote was true. They speak the facts and someone just had to delete half the article! I changed it back to the way it was. They left no explanation of why it was changed. (Kyla 03:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC))
Still some POV problems.
I was looking over the section on "Effects on Media" and found it ridiculously POV; I'm surprised there wasn't a tag on the article. My edits last night, which took me a while to complete, were reverted by an anon earlier today. I'd like some registered users here to comment on my edits to that section so that we can make it better. See WP:NPOV for what our goal should be in this and any other article. --Idont Havaname 20:31, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, the Media section is ridiculously POV (and the rest of the article doesn't look so hot as well). While I agree that the topic is encyclopedic, the article needs an overhaul.
--24.128.167.223 22:06, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
--Wasabe3543 22:12, 17 September 2005 (UTC) (forgot to sign in)
Humour
Quote from social concequences
" A suicide note found at the scene also indicated that he had a racial infatuation with Wang."
Wang being a slang word for penis. Strangly fitting in an article where penis size was earlier mentioned
Some points worth bringing up regarding POV/NPOV
There are several things I think I should say about this article and how we should handle editing it.
- It is not, in any way, shape, or form, being written from a neutral point of view. This is obvious from the presence of weasel words such as "often" and "many" (without references), and by the presence of statements such as, "white men who date Asian women are also sometimes stereotyped as being sexually/emotionally inadequate", "The Asian fetish is essentially rooted in white supremacist imperialism", "the three cases given above cannot provide a full picture of the depth of harm which an Asian fetish can do to both Asian-American identity and to interracial relationships", "This pairing has become so ubiquitous that it even appears in children's books" (and that's shocking?), and the whole last paragraph of "Effects on Media". In so doing, it's trying to paint all Asian/white relationships as invalid and wrong, all of the women as having "sold out", and all of the guys as Michael Lohman types. I could go write an article in which I whine in a "Quit Stealing All Our Women Point of View" about how some of my white female friends are dating only black guys, but that wouldn't be NPOV either.
- It doesn't have enough discussion of white women who like Asian men.
- It doesn't consider the fact that some white guys who like Asian women like other women too, and that there are reasons for liking Asian women other than, "Oh, I like her because she's Asian." Some people don't consider race a factor at all in relationships and think nothing of it in their dating practices. (It is also worth pointing out that, at least in the US, "white" and "black" people can only trace parts (if any) of their ancestry to particular nationalities, so in a sense, nearly any relationship they are in is to some extent interracial. Maybe that's why they've stopped making a big deal about which race of women they date!)
- Most importantly, you do not have to be Asian, or white, or black, or any other race, to edit this article! There is no rule in Wikipedia policy saying that there are race/ethnicity/nationality requirements for editing certain types of articles. If you don't like that, go start your own encyclopedia.
--Idont Havaname 23:33, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
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- So, wait....you're upset that your 'White' female friends are dating Black men? Interesting.
Does it also upset you to see Asian women with Black men, or Asian men dating White women?
-Joel Lindley 05:44, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
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No, I'm not. I used to be - seeing them did play a part in my becoming less strict (from a racial standpoint) in who I was taking interest in, but I'm really not opposed to it anymore. I know a white woman who was married to a guy from China, and I never thought anything one way or the other on that. I've noticed somewhat of a "trophy" attitude in some (certainly not all) of the black man / white woman pairings (there are rap songs about it, for instance; one that I can think of, by Will Smith?, has a line about "my honey with the light eyes" - I think it's called "Summertime"), so that sort of runs in parallel with this bizarrely titled "Asian fetish" in a sense, as *some* (certainly not all, as Asian fetish seems to be saying) of these relationships are between people who are both taking race into account too much (i.e. looking for somebody because they are of a certain race). I've seen articles in US newspapers that
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No, I'm not. I used to be - seeing them did play a part in my becoming less strict (from a racial standpoint) in who I was taking interest in, but I'm really not opposed to it anymore. I know a white woman who was married to a guy from China, and I never thought anything one way or the other on that. I've noticed somewhat of a "trophy" attitude in some (certainly not all) of the black man / white woman pairings (there are rap songs about it, for instance; one that I can think of, by Will Smith?, has a line about "my honey with the light eyes" - I think it's called "Summertime"), so that sort of runs in parallel with this bizarrely titled "Asian fetish" in a sense, as *some* (certainly not all, as Asian fetish seems to be saying) of these relationships are between people who are both taking race into account too much (i.e. looking for somebody because they are of a certain race). I've seen articles in US newspapers that